Oral History and Research Materials:  Complete List

This is the table of complete contents for the oral history project of St. Louis are jazz musicians.  It is part of the National Ragtime and Jazz Archive which is located in Lovejoy Library at Southern Illinois University Edwardsville.

Musicians available on this page: Claude Abney, Theodore Bibb, Eubie Blake, Gilbert Bowers, Robert Carter, Eddie Johnson, Leon King, Singleton Palmer, Hayes Pillars, Eddie Randle, Vertna Saunders, Leon Smith, Llyod A. Smith, and Ralph Sutton.

If interested in reviewing these materials from the National Ragtime and Jazz Archive, please contact Therese Dickman, Fine Arts Librarian.

Narrator's Name:          Claude Abney

                         Tape #  Side                                 Time                                 Subject

                                  1  a                                       015-074                             Birth, Parents, Musical influence of father

                                  1  a                                       075-124                             Musical memories, Liberty Burlesque House

                                  1  a                                       125-196                             Musical training, father as a professional musician, Banjo

                                                                                                                         teacher Lee Fowler

                                  1  a                                       197-226                             Bands heard on radio which may have influenced

                                  1  a                                       227-261                             Country-Western groups, KXOK, playing bass-1937

                                  1  a                                       262-279                             Begins big band music

                                  1  a                                       280-323                             Leaves St. Louis for Detroit, 1941, union member

                                  1  a                                       324-460                             Marriage, children, draft status, Ben Young's Band, Oriole

                                                                                                                         Terrace, hours, pay, band personnel

                                  1  a                                       461-473                             Musicians and show people who came to Detroit

                                  1  a                                       474-491                             Left Young's band, other clubs played

                                  1  a                                       492-502                             Type of music played

                                  1  a                                       503-555                             Casanova Club

                                  1  a                                       556-587                             Jam sessions, after hours clubs

                                  1  a                                       588-614                             Roxy Show Bar, Hank Jones

                                  1  a                                       615-650                             Jazz Bands visiting Detroit

                                  1  a                                       651-663                             Musician friends

                                  1  a                                       664-678                             Count Basie's Band

                                  1  a                                       679-714                             Michigan Theater, Detroit Ballrooms

                                  1  a                                       715-740                             Booking Offices

                                  1  b                                       002-040                             Leaving Detroit, moving back to St. Louis

                                  1  b                                       041-104                             Dixie Five Band, Wyoming Show Bar

                                  1  b                                       105-163                             Call from Pee Wee Hunt's Band

                                  1  b                                       164-244                             Personnel of Hunt Band, jobs in Detroit

                                  1  b                                       245-307                             Travel with Hunt Band, especially Puerto Rico

                                  1  b                                       308-517                             Same

                                  1  b                                       518-552                             Art Moranz

                                  1  b                                       553-582                             Hank Biagini Band

                                  1  b                                       583-662                             Bob-lo Boat

                                  1  b                                       663-706                             Return to St. Louis

                                  1  b                                       671-731                             Conclusion, remarks about project etc., Not Transcribed

                                  1  b                                       707-713                             Musician's Unions

                                  1  b                                       714-723                             Lake Resorts in Michigan

                                  2  a                                       009-045                             Job with Maloney Electric, retirement

                                  2  a                                       046-132                             Current jobs, Joe Wray Trio, City Lights band

                                  2  a                                       133-179                             Big events in St. Louis musical life, Sal Ferrante

                                  2  a                                       180-228                             Russ David

                                  2  a                                       229-271                             Bands that came to St. Louis

                                  2  a                                       272-297                             Jonah Jones

                                  2  a                                       298-349                             Other Detroit Groups played with, Georgia Auld

                                  2  a                                       350-390                             Jonah Jones visit to St. Louis

                                  2  a                                       391-434                             Caliber of jazz musicians in St. Louis and Detroit

                                  2  a                                       435-449                             Hottest jazz musicians

                                  2  a                                       450-497                             Meeting Walter Page-Abney's idol

                                  2  a                                       498-528                             Traveling with Pee Wee Hunt

                                  2  a                                       529-608                             Other musicians making impression on Abney, humorous

                                                                                                                         incidents

                                  2  a                                       609-666                             Arcadia Ballroom, Casa Loma Ballroom, touring bands

                                  2  a                                       667-749                             Pee Wee Hunt, traveling with, working for, leaving

                                  2  b                                       002-067                             Pee Wee Hunt, leaving, new material

                                  2  b                                       068-105                             Impact of radio and records on musicians

                                  2  b                                       106-126                             Future of Dixieland music

                                  2  b                                       127-143                             Boats of Mississippi River

                                  2  b                                       144-165                             First public performance

                                  2  b                                       166-196                             First paid job, family appearance, musical inclinations

                                  2  b                                       197-347                             Black musicians he and his father worked with and listened to

                                                                                                                         in St. Louis

                                  2  b                                       348-364                             Detroit

                                  2  b                                       365-377                             Claude's father

                                  2  b                                       378-428                             Black bands and musicians

                                  2  b                                       429-455                             How he would live life over

                                  2  b                                       456-543                             Musician friends, Sal Ferrante, Benny Weber

                                  2  b                                       544-670                             His father's jobs, support of Claude's music

  Narrator's Name:           Theodore Bibb

                         Tape #  Side                                 Time                                 Subject

                                  1  a                                       003-015                             Introduction

                                  1  a                                       016-076                             Biographical; Birth, Family

                                  1  a                                       077-138                             First drums; music school, encouragement by father

                                  1  a                                       139-169                             First public appearance- Sunshine Sammy

                                  1  a                                       170-241                             Father's work with Simms Band; conflict between parents;

                                                                                                                         roadhouses

                                  1  a                                       242-285                             Other Bands

                                  1  a                                       286-309                             Simms Band-instrumentation

                                  1  a                                       310-343                             Father's theater bands

                                  1  a                                       344-389                             Lodge bands, parades, street bands; rehearsals

                                  1  a                                       390-424                             Pay of musicians

                                  1  a                                       425-501                             Playing at a tavern, trio, enlarging band

                                  1  a                                       502-553                             U.S. Army; St. Louis musicians sent to Fort Warren, Wyo.

                                  1  a                                       554-582                             Bandleader- S. Sgt. Smith, dance band, cowboy outfits

                                  1  a                                       583-619                             Military band - 50 men; small dance band - 8men

                                  1  a                                       620-657                             Andrew Chaplain, drummer; drum styles and methods

                                  1  a                                       658-678                             Club in Cheyenne; Jack McVey - Calif. drummer

                                  1  a                                       679-717                             Music writers in Army; Geo. Duvivier; learning from army band

                                  1  a                                       718-736                             Discharge U.S. Army; "gigging" jobs in St. Louis

                                  1  b                                       003-082                             Army Band - 353rd different places played

                                  1  b                                       083-202                             Stars appearing with Army band

                                  1  b                                       203-260                             After Army- bands played with; Clay Lock

                                  1  b                                       261-285                             Tina Nelson; Chuck Robinson

                                  1  b                                       286-314                             George Hudson Band 1950-53; Club Riveria; Showboat Club

                                  1  b                                       315-365                             Personnel of Hudson Band

                                  1  b                                       366-408                             Hudson - IRS trouble

                                  1  b                                       409-467                             Hours, arrangements, shows; Armstrong All-Stars personnel

                                  1  b                                       468-539                             Harriet Bibb talking; Band - Hotel job, Alton, other jobs

                                  1  b                                       540-621                             Cyrus Stoner Trio, jobs played; piano players with trio

                                  1  b                                       622-689                             Dewey Jackson; E. St. Louis & Collinsville jobs; personnel,

                                                                                                                         types of numbers, Jackson as leader

                                  1  b                                       690-724                             Jackson as ladies' man

                                  1  b                                       725-739                             Bibbs' father playing with Charles Creath and other early bands

                                  2  a                                       004-105                             Break-up of Jackson band; other groups; Jackson's double life

                                  2  a                                       106-153                             First marriage 1938

                                  2  a                                       154-188                             1946 - after army; jam sessions; "Tiger Joe" Smith

                                  2  a                                       189-200                             Noise on tape

                                  2  a                                       201-224                             great drummers

                                  2  a                                       225-258                             Bibb's favorite drummers and where he heard them

                                  2  a                                       259-293                             Max Roach Band - Personnel

                                  2  a                                       294-348                             Local drummers - Shaw; Thigpen, Oldham; Chick Booth

                                  2  a                                       349-404                             St. Louis Bands - Randle Band; George Border; Oliver Cobb

                                  2  a                                       405-430                             Listening to music on Riverboats - Capitol and J.S., late 20's

                                  2  a                                       431-475                             Bibb's father - playing on boat; Sunday band concerts

                                  2  a                                       476-497                             Black schools in St. Louis; father's musical ability

                                  2  a                                       498-557                             Archie Bell; 25th Infantry Band; traveling with band;

                                                                                                                         Washington State, Hawaii; father's death; father as a musician

                                  2  a                                       558-579                             Not transcribed

                                  2  a                                       580-600                             Peanuts Whalen; syncopation; drum style in father's time

                                  2  a                                       601-616                             Playing drums with records as a child; types of tunes

                                  2  a                                       617-628                             drum styles

                                  2  a                                       629-683                             Tina (La Coste) Nelson piano player

                                  2  a                                       684-737                             Drum solos; timing; fitting solo to time

                                  2  b                                       003-110                             Drum solos cont'd., change of tempo

                                  2  b                                       111-224                             Function of drums in a band

                                  2  b                                       225-270                             Roll of drummer in modern band

                                  2  b                                       271-340                             Harriet Bibb Not transcribed

                                  2  b                                       341-365                             Drums - importance in a band

                                  2  b                                       366-375                             Clubs on Delmar - The Barrel, the Windemere

                                  2  b                                       376-402                             Drumming in hotel bands - Different style

                                  2  b                                       403-508                             The drummer in jazz bands; support of soloists

                                  2  b                                       509-572                             Bibb's hobby as fire buff; interference with drumming

                                  2  b                                       573-604                             Hearing Count Basie Band in New York

                                  2  b                                       605-618                             Improving himself as a musician

                                  2  b                                       619-628                             Harriet

                                  2  b                                       629-650                             Bibb's favorite drummer Shadow Wilson

                                  2  b                                       651-661                             Function of drummer

                                  2  b                                       662-715                             Harriet

                                  2  b                                       716-736                             Harriet talks about Harvey Langford & other musicians

                                  3  a                                       004-054                             Harriet singing - "Do Nothing ‘Till You Hear from Me"

                                  3  a                                       055-087                             Harriet sings "Woke up This Mornin"

                                  3  a                                       088-158                             Harriet's early life, birth, father, Pittsburg

                                  3  a                                       159-249                             Harriet in show business; Lyric Theater, New Orleans

                                  3  a                                       250-290                             First touring job - Susie Sutton Bon Ton Review; Ethel Watters

                                  3  a                                       291-320                             Harriet Bibb sings "Am I Blue"

                                  3  a                                       321-408                             Road show - traveling; Kansas City; Plantation Club; learning

                                                                                                                         to play drums

  Narrator's Name:           Eubie Blake

                         Tape #  Side                                 Time                                 Subject

                                  1  a                                       015-050                             Eubie as a nickname

                                  1  a                                       051-065                             Birth in Baltimore, 1883

                                  1  a                                       066-104                             Parents; as slave; family

                                  1  a                                       105-114                             Music in family

                                  1  a                                       115-133                             Longevity; Eubie's father

                                  1  a                                       134-175                             Eubie's father and the American flag

                                  1  a                                       176-192                             Lee Whipper, Porgy

                                  1  a                                       193-283                             How Eubie started playing the organ

                                  1  a                                       284-307                             First lessons; Margaret Marshall

                                  1  a                                       308-319                             Improvising on the organ

                                  1  a                                       320-340                             Ragtime, origins of

                                  1  a                                       341-403                             Eubie's girlfriend, her lawn party; Edgar Dow

                                  1  a                                       404-449                             Plays "Dream Rag"

                                  1  a                                       450-480                             Jessie Picket, Composer of "Dream Rag"

                                  1  a                                       481-493                             Basil Chase; Eubie age 15-16

                                  1  a                                       494-508                             Dr. Frisbee's medicine show

                                  1  a                                       509-628                             Job at Aggie Shelton's Place

                                  1  a                                       629-634                             Next job

                                  1  a                                       635-648                             Old Kentucky Show

                                  1  a                                       649-654                             Playing cabarets in New York

                                  1  a                                       655-665                             Type of music played in bordellos

                                  1  a                                       666-702                             Plays excerpts of music

                                  1  a                                       703-709                             1905; playing in New York and Atlantic City

                                  1  a                                       710-712                             Goldfield Hotel

                                  1  b                                       063-095                             Rags, classic flavor of

                                  1  b                                       096-111                             Composing of Charleston Rag

                                  1  b                                       112-144                             Learning show music

                                  1  b                                       145-176                             Jim Europe's band

                                  1  b                                       177-224                             Early rags - "Chevy Chase" and "Fizzwater"; publisher's tricks

                                                                                                                          -no royalties

                                  1  b                                       225-274                             Plays "Charleston Rag"

                                  1  b                                       275-280                             First musical comedy

                                  1  b                                       281-394                             Discrimination against blacks in show business; musicians

                                                                                                                         salaries; Keith Vaundeville. Dressing facilities for blacks;

                                                                                                                         Eubie's father on Decoration Day

                                  1  b                                       395-406                             Blank

                                  1  b                                       407-491                             Attitudes of young blacks; feelings of older blacks

                                  1  b                                       492-504                             First show; Shuffle Along

                                  1  b                                       505-523                             Playing in small towns

                                  1  b                                       524-549                             Getting from New Jersey to Washington, D.C.

                                  1  b                                       550-565                             Thomas Brothers and race track incident

                                  1  b                                       566-580                             Getting from Washington, D.C. to New York

                                  1  b                                       581-592                             Minstrel shows; comedians

                                  1  b                                       593-599                             Blank

                                  1  b                                       600-645                             Minstrel shows

                                  1  b                                       646-668                             Continued popularity of "I'm Just Wild about Harry"

                                  1  b                                       669-704                             Partnership with Noble Sissle

                                  1  b                                       705-724                             Josephine Baker

                                  1  b                                       713-719                             Blank

                                  1  b                                       720-740                             One-leg Willie

                                  1  b                                       725-736                             Countries played on tour

                                  1  b                                       737-                                   End of tape

                                  1  b                                       740-                                   End of side one

                                  2  a                                       003-025                             USO tours

                                  2  a                                       026-038                             Travels in U.S.; wife acts as agent

                                  2  a                                       039-056                             Recent compositions

                                  2  a                                       057-105                             Plays "Melodic Rag"

                                  2  a                                       106-141                             Present popularity of ragtime; what makes music ragtime

                                  2  a                                       142-                                   End of tape

  Narrator's Name:           Gilbert Bowers

                         Tape #  Side                                 Time                                 Subject

                                  1  a                                       001-131                             Biographical, parents, family, employment

                                  1  a                                       132-325                             Early interest in music, lessons, favorite bands, high school

                                                                                                                         band, bands played with in teens

                                  1  a                                       326-339                             Friendship with Rod Cless

                                  1  a                                       340-405                             Husk O'Hare's Wolverines visit Des Moines

                                  1  a                                       406-426                             Local bands in Des Moines

                                  1  a                                       427-518                             Move to Chicago, jobs, clubs

                                  1  a                                       519-648                             Listening to Jazz bands in Chicago, clubs, personnel, types of

                                                                                                                         tunes played

                                  1  a                                       649-748                             Decision to move to New York, getting a job, Mike Speciale

                                                                                                                       Band, clubs, personnel, tunes

                                  1  b                                       003-096                             Rosemont Ballroom, Bert Stock Orchestra

                                  1  b                                       097-190                             Jefferson Ballroom, Detroit, first recording date

                                  1  b                                       191-377                             Return to New York, joining Ben Pollack

                                  1  b                                       378-415                             Summit House, Baltimore

                                  1  b                                       416-490                             Hollywood Restaurant, Cleveland

                                  1  b                                       491-554                             Band personnel and arrangers

                                  1  b                                       555-567                             Radio broadcasting

                                  1  b                                       568-600                             Playing with Pollack, hours, pay Pollack as a leader

                                  1  b                                       601-626                             Special Friends in band

                                  1  b                                       627-659                             First recording job with Pollack band

                                  1  b                                       660-722                             Interim jobs in New York

                                  1  b                                       723-752                             Mastbaum Theater, Philadelphia

                                  2  a                                       003-055                             Mastbaum Theater, cont'd

                                  2  a                                       003-124                             Forest Club, New Orleans

                                  2  a                                       125-173                             Ray Bauduc

                                  2  a                                       174-208                             Other musicians in New Orleans

                                  2  a                                       209-242                             Review of Pollack Band personnel

                                  2  a                                       243-264                             Lowry Hotel, St. Paul, MN

                                  2  a                                       265-295                             Chez Paree, Chicago

                                  2  a                                       374-399                             K-9, after-hours club

                                  2  a                                       400-405                             Hines Band

                                  2  a                                       406-419                             Other names that band worked under

                                  2  a                                       420-476                             Creations of Dick Morgan

                                  2  a                                       477-504                             Other bands in Chicago

                                  2  a                                       505-532                             Shows and musicians at Chez Paree

                                  2  a                                       533-572                             Sophie Tucker

                                  2  a                                       573-604                             Other acts at Chez Paree

                                  2  a                                       605-636                             Playing through Long Beach, Calif. earthquake

                                  2  a                                       637-648                             Recreation outside of music

                                  2  a                                       649-661                             Leaving Chicago, new personnel in band

                                  2  a                                       662-730                             Style of Pollack band, arrangements, solos, capabilities,

                                                                                                                         individual musicians- Spivak, Rodin, Miller, Bose, Matlock

                                  2  b                                       003-055                             Playing requests, improvising

                                  2  b                                       056-081                             Later Pollack bands

                                  2  b                                       082-137                             New York, recording, changes, band breaking up

                                  2  b                                       138-179                             Belle Rive Hotel, Kansas City

                                  2  b                                       180-203                             Ben Thigpen (by Havens)

                                  2  b                                       204-238                             Kansas City bands

                                  2  b                                       239-287                             White Bear Lake, St. Paul

                                  2  b                                       288-370                             Billy Rose Casino, New York, 1934

                                  2  b                                       371-402                             Clubs and musicians in Harlem

                                  2  b                                       403-447                             Charity benefits played in New York

                                  2  b                                       448-472                             Smith and Dale comedy act, Gypsy Rose Lee

                                  2  b                                       473-494                             Stride piano players

                                  2  b                                       495-562                             Recording dates as back-up for vocalists, Judy Garland,

                                                                                                                         Andrew Sisters

                                  2  b                                       563-611                             Recording Date, 1934 with Wingy Manone, "Isle of Capri"

                                  2  b                                       612-630                             Additional recording as back-up for vocalists

                                  2  b                                       631-637                             Gap

                                  2  b                                       638-694                             Other recording dates, musicians 1934

                                  2  b                                       695-738                             Break-up of Pollack band, Fall 1934, Starting of Bob Crosby

                                                                                                                         band, return to New York

                                  3  a                                       001-060                             Return to New York cont'd

                                  3  a                                       061-124                             Incorporation of "Clark Randall" Band; other names used in

                                                                                                                         recording

                                  3  a                                       125-172                             Personnel of band

                                  3  a                                       173-186                             Substituting with Dorsey Brothers Orchestra

                                  3  a                                       187-238                             Rockwell-O'Keefe agency; musicians who were clients

                                  3  a                                       239-253                             Bob Crosby becomes leader or "front" man for band

                                  3  a                                       254-271                             First money received as member of "Crosby" band

                                  3  a                                       272-313                             Role of Crosby with band; how band was run

                                  3  a                                       314-327                             Decisions on tunes played etc.

                                  3  a                                       328-343                             Vocalists with band

                                  3  a                                       344-378                             Left Crosby band; study with Herman Wasserman; playing

                                                                                                                         radio shows

                                  3  a                                       379-422                             Cy Walter; forms two-piano team with NBC, clubs etc.

                                  3  a                                       423-435                             pianists who followed Bowers with Crosby band

                                  3  a                                       436-463                             Recording work-NBC; with singers

                                  3  a                                       464-486                             Marriage to Marian Manners, vocalist with Whiteman

                                  3  a                                       487-514                             With Abe Lyman Band

                                  3  a                                       515-553                             Pay for various jobs; saving money

                                  3  a                                       554-604                             Abe Lyman Band, engagements, personnel

                                  3  a                                       605-680                             Swing-bands; big bands heard and worked with, Isham

                                  3  a                                       681-722                             Jones Orchestra; Vincent Lopez; recording Traveling with

                                                                                                                         Lyman

                                  3  a                                       723-739                             Stay in Los Angeles; Mocambo Club with Eddie LeBaron

                                  3  b                                       009-109                             Billy Rose's Clubs; black performers

                                  3  b                                       110-139                             Lena Horne

                                  3  b                                       140-233                             Abe Lyman Orchestra 1940, New York City, Florida

                                  3  b                                       234-311                             Return to West Coast, tour to Huston, Peck Kelly Orchestra

                                  3  b                                       312-354                             Los Angeles, early years, 1926; Harry Owens

                                  3  b                                       355-437                             Los Angeles, 1940; Eddie Le Baron, San Ysidro Ranch, Harbor

                                                                                                                         Restaurant, Santa Barbar

                                  3  b                                       438-458                             December 7, 1941; closing of Harbor Restauranta

                                  3  b                                       459-512                             Los Angeles, Eddie Le Baron, clubs played

                                  3  b                                       513-562                             Fox Studio preliminary call, late Fall 1941

                                  3  b                                       563-664                             Permanent job at Fox Studios-staff pianist job description

                                  3  b                                       665-715                             Work on film-"Francis the Mule"

                                  3  b                                       716-742                             Film-"Cover Girl"

                                  4  a                                       005-055                             "Cover Girls" cont'd; synchronizing music to action

                                  4  a                                       056-070                             Teaching finger motions for piano playing to stars-

                                                                                                                         Betty Grable

                                  4  a                                       071-184                             "Oklahoma" filming on location-Nogales, Ariz.

                                  4  a                                       185-209                             Filming "Mother Wore Tights"

                                  4  a                                       210-224                             Synch for "Everything's Up to Date in Kansas City"

                                  4  a                                       225-274                             Job description-orchestrating, arranging, sketching out ideas for

                                                                                                                         musical numbers and scenes

                                  4  a                                       275-294                             Other studios-Eagle Lion, Universal

                                  4  a                                       295-410                             Filming "Can-Can"; rehearsal piano work; coordinating

                                                                                                                         choreography; composing for special effects 1960-62

                                  4  a                                       411-432                             Composing for dancers-Ann Miller

                                  4  a                                       433-474                             Short Musicals about bands-Universal, Lawrence Welk,

                                                                                                                         Armstrong, Teagarden, Bigard, Chubby Checker

                                  4  a                                       475-488                             "Glenn Miller Story"

                                  4  a                                       489-545                             Working with Red Nichols, 1950's at Sardi's Restaurant

                                                                                                                         personnel, tunes

                                  4  a                                       546-588                             Marian's work during this period

                                  4  a                                       589-665                             Other work outside studio; Hollywood Canteen, Joe Yukl

                                  4  a                                       666-676                             Sneak previews-theaters

                                  4  a                                       677-690                             World premier, Dallas, "It's A Joke Son"

                                  4  a                                       691-733                             Artists and bands playing in Los Angeles on tour

                                  4  a                                       734-750                             "Resident" bands in L.A.

                                  4  b                                       005-062                             Other bands heard in L.A.-Stan Kenton

                                  4  b                                       063-123                             Boyd Raeburn, Matty Malneck, Spike Jones

                                  4  b                                       124-190                             Individual jazz players that Bowers heard or knew

                                  4  b                                       191-284                             With Ted Fiorito Orchestra early 50's; personnel

                                  4  b                                       285-320                             Playing at Johnny Mathis' first show 1960 or 1961

                                  4  b                                       321-350 b                           L.A. as entertainment center; moderate effect of Be-bop

  Narrator's Name:           Robert Carter

                         Tape #  Side                                 Time                                 Subject

                                  1  a                                       004-138                             Biographical; Birth, Family, Musical background, lessons

                                  1  a                                       139-176                             Lodge bands, funerals, High school, reading music

                                  1  a                                       177-219                             First dance band job-Bill Jeeter

                                  1  a                                       220-237                             Musicians with lodge bands, Dewey Jackson, Charles Creath

                                  1  a                                       238-315                             Sumner H.S.-bands, teachers, musicians

                                  1  a                                       316-336                             High school dances, musicians

                                  1  a                                       337-406                             First professional job-Pete Patterson, music, instruments

                                  1  a                                       407-439                             Harry Winn Orch., Audiences, Dance Box, shortage of

                                                                                                                         trombones

                                  1  a                                       440-483                             Eddie Johnson "Crackerjacks", Louisville, Ky., musicians, pay

                                  1  a                                       484-543                             Musicians with Winn, Jeeter, Crackerjacks

                                  1  a                                       544-657                             Riverboat bands-Jackson, Marable, instruments, pay, hours

                                  1  a                                       658-678                             Marable incidents-popular stories

                                  1  a                                       679-706                             Older musicians; ability to get along and fit in

                                  1  a                                       707-739                             Tunes, programs, discipline, "Trombone Smitty"

                                  1  b                                       005-027                             Marable-off-season

                                  1  b                                       028-053                             Charlie Creath as a musician

                                  1  b                                       054-110                             Dewey Jackson-player, personality, leader, Lodge bands

                                  1  b                                       111-166                             Leaves Marable, Depression years, gigging

                                  1  b                                       167-215                             Cecil Scott-"Doggy"; Cecil Thornton; Shorty Baker

                                  1  b                                       216-240                             Harry Winn-Plantation gig; Marriage

                                  1  b                                       241-283                             Ohio River boats-playing, traveling

                                  1  b                                       284-323                             Capital steamboat, wintering

                                  1  b                                       324-401                             Gigging, marriage-change in musical life; Scullins Steel Co.

                                  1  b                                       402-426                             St. Louis Medical Depot job; gigging, Navy recruiter

                                  1  b                                       427-447                             Enlisting U.S. Navy, Great Lakes, Other musicians enlisting

                                  1  b                                       448-511                             Re-assignment to Lambert Field; prejudice in service back to

                                                                                                                         Great Lakes

                                  1  b                                       512-596                             Honolulu, Hawaii; conditions, job more segregation

                                  1  b                                       597-635                             Other black musicians in Navy

                                  1  b                                       636-680                             After W.W.II; return to civilian job, poor treatment

                                  1  b                                       681-727                             Musician's union 197-Nomination for President, serves 5 years

                                                                                                                         V. Pres. under George Smith, pay

                                  1  b                                       728-end                             Takes job with Singleton Palmer - Forest Park Hotel, personnel

                                  2  a                                       003-039                             After W.W.II; musician's reunions, Winn Band

                                  2  a                                       040-117                             Eddie Randle Band after Marable band, musicians, prejudice

                                  2  a                                       118-144                             Singleton Palmer's Band - Dixieland music

                                  2  a                                       145-179                             Al Guichard

                                  2  a                                       180-198                             Gaslight Square, Palmer

                                  2  a                                       199-218                             George Hudson - as leader & business man; musicians; discipline

                                  2  a                                       219-246                             Goldenrod Boat with Palmer, musicians

                                  2  a                                       247-267                             Dave Harris

                                  2  a                                       268-320                             Leroy Harris

                                  2  a                                       321-342                             Other players presently on Palmer Band

                                  2  a                                       343-372                             Black musicians in traditional jazz; audiences today

                                  2  a                                       373-398                             David Hines, trumpet player; different generations

                                  2  a                                       399-418                             Other occasional band jobs, American theater

                                  2  a                                       419-435                             Recording tunes; radio work

                                  2  a                                       436-453                             Musician's Locals, Prejudice, merger of unions - 1970

                                  2  a                                       509-530                             Don Redmond, Playdium, with Mills Brothers

                                  2  a                                       531-541                             Tommy Dorsey, Sinatra

                                  2  a                                       542-560                             Bands in Pittsburg - Ozzie Nelson, J. Dorsey

                                  2  a                                       545-508                             Bands that came through St. Louis; Waller at Coliseum; Clyde

                                                                                                                         Hopkins Orch. Black night on riverboats

                                  2  a                                       561-573                             Radio broadcasts - listening, meeting musicians

                                  2  a                                       574-600                             Musicians met & heard - Ellington, W.C. Handy, Guy Williams

                                  2  a                                       601-645                             Dewey Jackson leaving music

                                  2  a                                       646-674                             Carter's own role in bands; role model

                                  2  a                                       675-691                             Influence of Louie Armstrong on musicians

                                  2  a                                       692-713                             Influence of family on music & vice-versa

                                  2  a                                       714-733                             Don Gumpert - Playdium

                                  2  a                                       734-742                             Carter's children

                                  2  b                                       003-085                             Carter's children, cont'd

                                  2  b                                       086-179                             Parents, grandfather; family history

                                  2  b                                       180-215                             Buying family land

                                  2  b                                       216-278                             Selling land, subdivision for blacks

                                  2  b                                       279-289                             Father's family, Wentzville

                                  2  b                                       290-379                             Looking back; regrets, education own & children's; music as a

                                                                                                                         "second career"; "What if?"

                                  2  b                                       380-426                             Suggestions for young people; Feelings about own family,

                                                                                                                         friendships with musicians

                                  3  a                                       002-023                             Personnel with Singleton Palmer-cont'd; learning Dixieland

                                  3  a                                       024-054                             Leaves Palmer; goes with George Hudson

                                  3  a                                       055-092                             Playdium, East St. Louis

                                  3  a                                       093-124                             Recording with Palmer

  Narrator's Name:           Eddie Johnson

                         Tape #  Side                                 Time                                 Subject

                                  1  a                                       007-021                             Introduction

                                  1  a                                       022-064                             Biographical; Family; Musical Background

                                  1  a                                       065-086                             First paying job; High School

                                  1  a                                       087-106                             Oliver Cobb Band; Crackerjacks

                                  1  a                                       107-183                             Graystone Ballroom; personnel of early Crackerjacks Band

                                  1  a                                       184-198                             Second Crackerjacks Band

                                  1  a                                       199-257                             Music in St. Louis; Club Plantation; pay; arrangements; tunes;

                                                                                                                         musicians

                                  1  a                                       258-300                             Lloyd Smith; Singleton Palmer- switch to string bass; Erskine

                                                                                                                         Tate tour; business & promotion

                                  1  a                                       301-329                             racial problems

                                  1  a                                       330-350                             Touring with band

                                  1  a                                       351-379                             locating reading musicians- requirements; business education

                                  1  a                                       380-469                             Traveling; cutting contests

                                  1  a                                       470-484                             Eddie Randle

                                  1  a                                       485-516                             Appearance, uniforms, dress, discipline

                                  1  a                                       517-535                             Other bands in St. Louis

                                  1  a                                       536-565                             "New" Crackerjacks- personnel, rehearsals

                                  1  a                                       566-590                             Today's music vs. "old days" music; teaching piano

                                  1  a                                       591-616                             Recording company

                                  1  a                                       617-663                             Music today; piano players- Fats Waller- Cincinnati

                                  1  a                                       664-689                             Styles of Piano- stride

                                  1  a                                       690-699                             Art Tatum's "sister"

                                  1  a                                       700-735                             Stops traveling; family, children

                                  1  b                                       005-076                             Last traveling band - personnel

                                  1  b                                       077-160                             Club Plantation Orchestra - personnel

                                  1  b                                       161-220                             Location of musicians today - Plantation

                                  1  b                                       221-255                             Plantation job

                                  1  b                                       256-263                             Graystone Ballroom

                                  1  b                                       264-298                             Shows at Plantation

                                  1  b                                       299-424                             Recording sessions; Oliver Cobb - Chicago

                                  1  b                                       425-458                             Own recording company; Music today

                                  1  b                                       459-474                             Leading band while playing piano

                                  1  b                                       475-498                             Musicians unions; black and white

                                  1  b                                       499-535                             Musicians getting a start with Johnson

                                  1  b                                       536-673                             Looking at scrapbook - Not transcribed

                                  1  b                                       674-691                             Oliver Cobb Band Cobb as leader

                                  1  b                                       692-715                             Places Crackerjacks worked: split into two Crackerjacks

                                  1  b                                       716-738                             Conclusion

  Narrator's Name:           Leon King

                         Tape #  Side                                 Time                                 Subject

                                  1  a                                       015-127                             Biographical; Birth, Parents, Siblings, early life

                                  1  a                                       128-159                             Earliest musical experience- teacher in school; piano lessons

                                  1  a                                       160-190                             High school - East St. Louis Lincoln; trumpet - 6 months then

                                                                                                                         trombone; first lessons

                                  1  a                                       191-209

                                  1  a                                       210-375                             Band leader- Harold Pickett, first band job; personnel; jitney

                                                                                                                         dancing, 1923; tunes played; pay

                                  1  a                                       376-444                             Artisan's Hall, Collinsville, listening to Charlie Creath

                                  1  a                                       445-506                             University of Illinois; band audition, no blacks in band

                                  1  a                                       507-534                             Joined band in Champaign; played dances frats and sororities

                                  1  a                                       535-566                             Aluminum Ore Co.; father has stroke; stayed home from school

                                  1  a                                       567-601                             Joined "Bill' Polk's Band; Galesburg, 1927

                                  1  a                                       602-623                             Postal clerk exam, St. Louis

                                  1  a                                       624-724                             Playing with Cecil Scott Orchestra, St. Louis; personnel; dance

                                                                                                                         halls, Phythian Hall; hours

                                  1  a                                       725-740                             Dewey Jackson Band, 1930; personnel

                                  1  b                                       004-083                             Jackson personnel cont'd; arrangements

                                  1  b                                       084-118                             Where Jackson played, different halls

                                  1  b                                       119-139                             Jackson as leader

                                  1  b                                       140-201                             Playing on riverboat "St. Paul"; pay

                                  1  b                                       202-212                             Marriage

                                  1  b                                       213-299                             1931-34; riverboat "J.R." Marable and Jackson join

                                  1  b                                       300-336                             Towns played along Mississippi River

                                  1  b                                       337-363                             Dewey leaves band to join church

                                  1  b                                       364-442                             Creath and Marable have band; personnel; New Orleans

                                  1  b                                       443-539                             Lunceford Orchestra; leave from Post Office; personnel; leaves

                                                                                                                         band after two months

                                  1  b                                       540-550                             Back to post office and Marable

                                  1  b                                       550-556                             Noise on tape

                                  1  b                                       557-573                             Mississippi River trips; towns boat stopped in

                                  1  b                                       574-617                             New Orleans; jam sessions, Pelican Hall, musicians

                                  1  b                                       618-664                             Job on boat, pay, living arrangements, food, hours

                                  1  b                                       665-667                             Marable, personality, style

                                  1  b                                       668-692                             New Orleans musicians, Armstrong

                                  1  b                                       693-718                             Marable, Tab Smith; quits band, back to post office

                                  1  b                                       719-740                             Union merger, suspension of Local 44 Charter

                                  2  a                                       004-150                             Union problems cont'd, Castle Ballroom, pay scale, hard

                                                                                                                         feelings, Lige Shaw-President

                                  2  a                                       151-243                             Louie Armstrong plays with Jackson Band

                                  2  a                                       244-253                             Don Redman band in St. Louis

                                  2  a                                       254-271                             Types of brass mutes

                                  2  a                                       272-308                             Fletcher Henderson in St. Louis, early 1930's

                                  2  a                                       309-325                             Joe Smith, trumpet player

                                  2  a                                       326-359                             Other bands traveling through St. Louis, McKinney's

                                                                                                                         Cottonpickers

                                  2  a                                       360-378                             Post office, full time, working nights, quit Marable's band

                                  2  a                                       379-464                             1950, goes on days, George Hudson band; personnel; changes

                                                                                                                         in music and styles

                                  2  a                                       465-490                             Vocalists with Hudson, Dinah Washington; Hudson as leader

                                  2  a                                       491-520                             Leaves Hudson, rejoins Jackson, DeBalivere "Strip"; clubs

                                  2  a                                       521-549                             Joe Smith Band at Windemere; personnel

                                  2  a                                       550-599                             Playing on the "Strip"; second marriage; "The Barrel Club";

                                                                                                                         music - Dixieland

                                  2  a                                       600-630                             Boats, style of music, Foxtrots - bounce; Captain Joe

                                  2  a                                       631-664                             Marable's Bands, popular tunes, Tab Smith arranger

                                  2  a                                       665-700                             Best bands - Lunceford, Dewey Jackson, best rhythm section

                                  2  a                                       701-720                             Lunceford Band arrangements, Willie Smith, Joe Thomas

                                  2  a                                       721-738                             De Balivere, East St. Louis jobs

                                  2  b                                       009-056                             With Dewey Jackson in East St. Louis

                                  2  b                                       057-142                             Jackson going to church choir, sideman

                                  2  b                                       143-266                             Gaslight Square, Singleton Palmer, personnel, Thigpen, Shaw

                                  2  b                                       267-284                             Opera House, Gaslight Square

                                  2  b                                       285-321                             Eddie Johnson's Band, 1958, before Palmer; personnel

                                  2  b                                       322-427                             Palmer's band, drinking on the job

                                  2  b                                       428-452                             Other bands in Gaslight; demise of Gaslight Square

                                  2  b                                       453-488                             Recording with Palmer; arrangements

                                  2  b                                       489-499                             Norman Mason

                                  2  b                                       500-529                             Left Gaslight 1969; surgery, other jobs

                                  2  b                                       530-641                             First job with Havens and Mississippi Mudcats; 1971-72;

                                                                                                                         personnel; where band played

                                  2  b                                       642-664                             Milwaukee trip

                                  2  b                                       667-687                             Recording with Mudcats

                                  2  b                                       688-740                             Musicians who impressed or influenced King

  Narrator's Name:           Singleton Palmer

                         Tape #  Side                                 Time                                 Subject

                                  1  a                                       001-033                             Biographical - name, family

                                  1  a                                       034-068                             trumpet lessons, tuba lessons, reasons for change

                                  1  a                                       069-111                             Mose Wiley's Band, personnel

                                  1  a                                       112-130                             tunes played, reading charts

                                  1  a                                       131-151                             pay received, types of jobs, towns played in

                                  1  a                                       152-174                             taxi dances

                                  1  a                                       175-221                             Best bands in St. Louis - mid - 20's

                                  1  a                                       222-256                             music lessons

                                  1  a                                       257-278                             marching bands, parades in St. Louis

                                  1  a                                       279-310                             parents, becoming career musician, style of playing

                                  1  a                                       311-362                             Oliver Cobb Band, personnel, places played, pay

                                  1  a                                       363-375                             playing Coliseum with Louis Armstrong in St. Louis

                                  1  a                                       376-432                             Eddie Johnson's Crackerjacks, personnel, pay places

                                  1  a                                       433-490                             Travel as Erskine Tate Band, switch to bass viol

                                  1  a                                       491-526                             Hawaiian Club excursion to Chicago, contact with Erskine Tate,

                                                                                                                          travel

                                  1  a                                       527-549                             Plantation Club, 1933, personnel, hours, pay

                                  1  a                                       550-569                             Walter "Crack" Stanley, sets of music, shows at club

                                  1  a                                       570-579                             Joe "Ziggy" Johnson, Plantation Club

                                  1  a                                       580-594                             Erskine Tate - Travel

                                  1  a                                       595-622                             String bass, Truck Parham

                                  1  a                                       623-630                             types of crowds

                                  1  a                                       631-653                             arranging for band, Tab Smith

                                  1  a                                       654-667                             marriage

                                  1  a                                       668-737                             Fats Waller fronts band, tour, Waller's style

                                  1  b                                       004-027                             Cincinnati; Crystal Ballroom

                                  1  b                                       028-039                             Chicago excursion

                                  1  b                                       040-051                             Joined Dewey Jackson's band, 1937

                                  1  b                                       052-069                             Playing on the boat with Eddie Johnson; Idlewild

                                  1  b                                       070-102                             Dewey Jackson Band personnel

                                  1  b                                       103-114                             Streckfuss Boat "St. Paul" with Jackson

                                  1  b                                       115-143                             Change from Johnson to Jackson

                                  1  b                                       144-187                             Changes in Jackson band; big band on the "St. Paul"

                                  1  b                                       188-263                             Tunes played; sets; types of crowds

                                  1  b                                       264-302                             Unions in St. Louis; subsidiary 197

                                  1  b                                       303-332                             Fate Marable Band; personnel

                                  1  b                                       333-345                             Pay scales - black and white

                                  1  b                                       346-379                             After - hours clubs

                                  1  b                                       380-424                             Out-of-town bands in St. Louis; jamming

                                  1  b                                       425-440                             Best white bands and musicians

                                  1  b                                       441-467                             Black vaudeville; out-of-town musicians

                                  1  b                                       468-529                             George Hudson Band; personnel; arrangements

                                  1  b                                       530-615                             Travel with Hudson Band; eastern theater circuit; "Round the

                                                                                                                         Horn; Duke Ellington sits in; Savoy Theater

                                  1  b                                       616-633                             Castle Farms, Cincinnati; Eddie Johnson

                                  1  b                                       634-733                             Joining Count Basie Band 1947; personnel

                                  1  b                                       734-743                             Pay with Basie

                                  2  a                                       008-119                             Basie Band; theater dates; artists played with

                                  2  a                                       120-147                             Universal Dance Hall; resignation from Basie Band

                                  2  a                                       148-164                             Palmer's daughter

                                  2  a                                       165-220                             Working with Basie Band; tunes; Fats Waller; Freddy Greene

                                  2  a                                       221-256                             Recording with band

                                  2  a                                       257-350                             Anecdotes from Basie band; recording

                                  2  a                                       351-363                             Jimmy Rushing; other musicians in band

                                  2  a                                       364-384                             Paul Gonsalves

                                  2  a                                       385-402                             Coleman Hawkins; "Body and Soul"

                                  2  a                                       403-442                             Cities where Basie Band played

                                  2  a                                       443-452                             Return to St. Louis; Scullins Steel job

                                  2  a                                       453-482                             Regal Theater, Chicago; Hudson Band during War

                                  2  a                                       483-512                             First version of Dixieland Six; May 1950; personnel

                                  2  a                                       513-533                             Universal Dance Hall; personnel; Sunday sessions

                                  2  a                                       534-560                             Formation of Dixieland Six; Forest Park Hotel sudden dismissal

                                                                                                                          - no " Mixed Bands"

                                  2  a                                       561-574                             First recording with own band

                                  2  a                                       575-584                             Jobs after Forest Park Hotel; Top Hat Club; Windemere Club;

                                                                                                                         The Spa

                                  2  a                                       585-598                             Dewey Jackson leaves band; Vertna Saunders comes on

                                  2  a                                       599-630                             Palladium Lounge; East St. Louis

                                  2  a                                       631-676                             Racial prejudice; integration; effects of

                                  2  a                                       677-697                             Success of Palmer's Band

                                  2  a                                       698-714                             Gaslight Square; Opera House 1958; Saunders leaves, Bill

                                                                                                                         Martin takes place

                                  2  a                                       715-743                             Personnel changes - Al Guichard, Norman Mason, Dave Harris,

                                                                                                                          Kimball Dial

                                  2  b                                       007-105                             Clarinet players with band

                                  2  b                                       106-143                             Other musicians with Palmer's band

                                  2  b                                       144-173                             Materials, tunes

                                  2  b                                       174-190                             Recording

                                  2  b                                       191-231                             Best unit of band - Bill Martin, Leon King, Norman Mason,

                                                                                                                         Ben Thigpen

                                  2  b                                       232-258                             Changes Palmer would make in his life

                                  2  b                                       259-314                             Gaslight Square - demise of; other bands playing there

                                  2  b                                       315-325                             Phyllis Diller Show

                                  2  b                                       326-349                             Delmar Blvd. clubs in 1950's; musicians heard there

                                  2  b                                       350-394                             Television work

                                  2  b                                       395-436                             St. Louis Jazz Club; Ragtime Festival - lack of local musicians

                                  2  b                                       437-457                             Other jobs held

                                  2  b                                       458-491                             Claude Abney; Changes in life; music style

                                  2  b                                       492-542                             Tuba Symposium, Bloomington, Ind.

                                  2  b                                       543-577                             Influences on playing; other musicians

                                  2  b                                       578-614                             Own style of playing; what makes a jazz musician

                                  2  b                                       615-703                             Milt Hinton; other bass players and young bass men

                                  2  b                                       704-731                             Influences on musicians

                                  2  b                                       732-745                             Best bands ever heard - Basie, Ellington

  Narrator's Name:           Hayes Pillars

                         Tape #  Side                                 Time                                 Subject

                                  1  a                                       000-026                             Early life; interest in music

                                  1  a                                       027-089                             Saxophone; learning music

                                  1  a                                       090-120                             First band

                                  1  a                                       121-0140                            Second band; own band

                                  1  a                                       141-178                             First St. Louis job; Club Plantation

                                  1  a                                       179-203                             Band personnel

                                  1  a                                       204-250                             Musician's unions

                                  1  a                                       251-278                             Position of Jeter - Pillars band in St. Louis; other

                                  1  a                                       279-348                             Bands prominent at that time jazz - origin of - how different

                                  1  a                                       349-372                             Ragtime music - influence on jazz

                                  1  a                                       373-397                             Jeter - Pillars band - type of music

                                  1  a                                       398-414                             Development of jazz

                                  1  a                                       415-470                             St. Louis "style"; late teen, early twenties

                                  1  a                                       471-490                             Race problem; white bands

                                  1  a                                       491-500                             Other clubs and bands

                                  1  a                                       501-543                             "Black" music vs. "white" music; American jazz

                                  1  a                                       544-580                             Early jazz in St. Louis

                                  1  a                                       581-615                             Rhythm and blues; blues; rock and roll

                                  1  a                                       616-629                             Dissolution of band

                                  1  a                                       630-727                             Government tax on dance clubs; effect on big bands

                                  1  a                                       728-770                             Problems facing black musicians

                                  1  a                                       771-781                             Technique and tone

                                  1  a                                       782-823                             Music structure

                                  1  a                                       824-857                             Black and white musicians

                                  1  a                                       858-879                             Gus Wilson

                                  1  a                                       880-915                             Drugs and bad environment surrounding musicians

                                  1  a                                       916-940                             Bands popular around St. Louis

                                  1  a                                       941-962                             Popularity of Jeter - Pillars Band

                                  1  a                                       963-977                             Nationally know musicians who played in St. Louis

                                  2  a                                       002-089                             "Swing" music, Benny Goodman

                                  2  a                                       090-117                             Fletcher Henderson Band

                                  2  a                                       118-130                             Druie Bess

                                  2  a                                       131-167                             Tone and technique

                                  2  a                                       168-269                             St. Louis Contribution to jazz

                                  2  a                                       270-295                             Enjoyment of music

  Narrator's Name:           Eddie Randle

                         Tape #  Side                                 Time                                 Subject

                                  1  a                                       005-094                             Biographical; Family, Music in family

                                  1  a                                       095-185                             Beginning trumpet, rehearsals, Lodge Bands

                                  1  a                                       186-209                             Arrangements

                                  1  a                                       210-239                             Bands heard - McKinney's Cottonpickers, Don Redmond

                                  1  a                                       240-269                             Professional playing, Warnie Long band, Personnel

                                  1  a                                       270-349                             Carl George takes place of Randle

                                  1  a                                       350-433                             Randle forms own band, 1932- Seven Blue Devils

                                  1  a                                       434-454                             Name of band, original personnel, change in size & personnel

                                  1  a                                       455-506                             Places played - Sodus Point, N.Y.; Springfield, IL

                                  1  a                                       507-518                             Talking pictures -- effects on musicians

                                  1  a                                       519-568                             Personnel of eleven piece band; arrangements

                                  1  a                                       569-614                             Musicians at Stevens Point

                                  1  a                                       615-658                             Job at Rhinelander, WI

                                  1  a                                       659-734                             Money, music scales, contracts, Springfield, IL

                                  1  a                                       735-760                             Other (outside) jobs; Restaurant

                                  1  b                                       005-083                             Savoy Sultans - old records

                                  1  b                                       084-096                             Accident - leaves music business

                                  1  b                                       097-142                             Lessons on trumpet - symphony musician

                                  1  b                                       143-224                             Miles Davis, other personnel -- Rum Boogie Club

                                  1  b                                       225-244                             Lunceford takes Eugene Porter

                                  1  b                                       245-295                             Clyde Higgins, saxophone

                                  1  b                                       296-317                             Miles Davis

                                  1  b                                       318-360                             Reputation of Randle band, New York, California

                                  1  b                                       361-396                             "Quiet" band; Lunceford style; rhythm

                                  1  b                                       402-434                             Checking pictures

                                  1  b                                       435-487                             Role of Musicians Union

                                  1  b                                       488-520                             Favorite band - Ellington, creativeness of

                                  1  b                                       521-584                             Musician's Union, Local 44, Local 2; playing as non-union band

                                  1  b                                       585-600                             Harold Baker; Singleton Palmer

                                  1  b                                       601-668                             Mile Davis as a person; style

                                  1  b                                       669-683                             Oliver Nelson, Ernie Wilkins, Jimmy Forrest

                                  1  b                                       684-721                             Other musicians with Randle

                                  1  b                                       722-763                             Other musicians; Jon in Union, MO

                                  2  a                                       011-064                             Local musicians with nationally - known bands

                                  2  a                                       065-253                             Sodus Point, N.Y. resort; prejudice

                                  2  a                                       254-277                             Playing on a yacht

                                  2  a                                       278-315                             Prejudice, dealing with insults

                                  2  a                                       316-336                             WWII begins, re-organization of band

                                  2  a                                       337-366                             Lack of recording

                                  2  a                                       367-428                             Changing arrangements and personnel

                                  2  a                                       429-451                             Ellington - reasons for success

                                  2  a                                       452-468                             Ingredients of successful band

                                  2  a                                       469-554                             1938 tour, Wisconsin, Iowa; tunes played

                                  2  a                                       555-581                             Randle's Bands - appearance; playing Arena with Ellington

                                  2  a                                       582-620                             Leadership style; Relations among band members

                                  2  a                                       621-631                             Al Guichard

                                  2  a                                       637-684                             Feelings for other musicians, bands, and "rivals"

                                  2  a                                       685-700                             Len Bowden

                                  2  a                                       701-748                             Older musicians, working with; Randle as trumpet player

                                  2  a                                       749-764                             Sitting - in

                                  2  b                                       007-047                             Function of a band leader

                                  2  b                                       048-063                             Wendell Marshall

                                  2  b                                       064-094                             Jimmy Blanton

                                  2  b                                       095-194                             Hearing Marable Band; personnel; style of music

                                  2  b                                       195-235                             Marable as a musician

                                  2  b                                       236-267                             Grady Rice - George Hudson Band

                                  2  b                                       268-316                             End of Randle Band; Gigging after WWII

                                  2  b                                       317-330                             Encouraging and helping musicians

                                  2  b                                       331-355                             Best memories

                                  2  b                                       356-381                             Son plays with Ellington in Champaign

                                  2  b                                       382-405                             Requirements of musical career; sacrifices and rewards        

  Narrator's Name:           Vertna Saunders

                         Tape #  Side                                 Time                                 Subject

                                  1  a                                       005-114                             Introduction; Biographical, Family, music, school

                                  1  a                                       115-167                             First instrument, learning to play by ear

                                  1  a                                       168-222                             Awareness of famous musicians - listening to records

                                  1  a                                       223-290                             Brass bands, lodges, learning to read music

                                  1  a                                       291-329                             Influence of Whiteman and Henry Busse

                                  1  a                                       330-378                             Trip to Kansas City to hear Whiteman, meets Biederbecke

                                  1  a                                       379-419                             School and lodge bands, parades

                                  1  a                                       420-444                             Meets Lamarr Wright from B. Moten Band

                                  1  a                                       445-519                             High school band jobs; Joins Kansas University Band

                                  1  a                                       520-545                             Playing with K.U. Band, integration

                                  1  a                                       546-590                             Goes to Chicago to play with Tiny Parham

                                  1  a                                       591-626                             Plays Lake boat with Francois

                                  1  a                                       627-648                             Meets Willie Humphrey

                                  1  a                                       649-687                             Other trumpet players met in Chicago

                                  1  a                                       688-698                             Paul Banks, K. City

                                  1  a                                       699-738                             Bands heard in Chicago

                                  1  a                                       739-end                             Kansas City

                                  1  b                                       004-056                             Eddie Tompkins - trumpet, Jimmy Lunceford

                                  1  b                                       057-114                             Clarence Love Orchestra, personnel, Milton Fletcher

                                  1  b                                       115-149                             Tour with Love Orchestra, - instrumentation, arrangements

                                  1  b                                       150-174                             Kansas City - Vic Dickenson

                                  1  b                                       175-219                             St. Louis - 1931; the "Cave", trumpet style; sitting in

                                  1  b                                       220-244                             Kansas City - Harlan Leonard Band - Vic Dickenson

                                  1  b                                       245-310                             The Cave; Harold Baker; KMOX Radio Band

                                  1  b                                       311-363                             Eddie Johnson, Club Plantation Band, 1933-34, after

                                                                                                                         Crackerjacks, musicians, and changes in

                                  1  b                                       364-395                             Personnel met in Kansas City

                                  1  b                                       396-407                             Plantation - nights, money

                                  1  b                                       408-449                             K. City in 1935, rehearsals, show people at Plantation

                                  1  b                                       450-475                             Sit-ins - Dewey Jackson, Red Allen, Rex Stewart, Jackson's

                                                                                                                         style

                                  1  b                                       476-514                             K. City with Eddie Johnson

                                  1  b                                       515-529                             Joins Andy Lirk, Lester Young

                                  1  b                                       530-566                             Leaves Kirk, returns to St. Louis

                                  1  b                                       567-599                             Works with Marable & Creath on boats, meets Louie, other

                                                                                                                         visiting musicians, Red Allen

                                  1  b                                       600-623                             New Orleans, untrained musicians, "New Orleans style"

                                  1  b                                       624-653                             Personnel of first band, Creath, directing, playing piano

                                  1  b                                       654-714                             1936, personnel changes; "Trombone Smitty"

                                  1  b                                       715-742                             Other personnel, 1936; Trip down river

                                  2  a                                       001-079                             New Orleans, musicians met there, sitting-in, working on boat

                                  2  a                                       080-132                             New Orleans style; funerals, street bands, religious songs

                                  2  a                                       133-185                             Learning new styles, improvising, chord formation and changes

                                  2  a                                       186-240                             Bands, tunes, musicians heard in New Orleans

                                  2  a                                       241-325                             Dixieland music - study of in order to play with Palmer

                                  2  a                                       326-399                             New Orleans, Kid Ory, after-hours, sitting-in

                                  2  a                                       400-420                             Food, women, races in New Orleans

                                  2  a                                       421-483                             Kaiter, N.O. trumpet player, other musicians

                                  2  a                                       484-523                             Return St. Louis, 1938; Small Marable Band, club Soho

                                  2  a                                       524-589                             Marable as pianist and leader

                                  2  a                                       590-673                             Rehearsals, trumpet section; tunes; King, Telphy reed section

                                  2  a                                       674-697                             Creath, playing and directing, personality, "father figure"

                                  2  a                                       698-724                             Tab Smith, Donny Stovall

                                  2  a                                       725-733                             Eddie Randle band, traveling Illinois, Missouri

                                  2  b                                       005-134                             Eddie Randle band, personnel, Springfield, N.Y., other cities

                                  2  b                                       135-193                             Randle as player, other musicians in band

                                  2  b                                       194-274                             Shows played for

                                  2  b                                       275-328                             Return to St. Louis, WWII, White bands played with

                                  2  b                                       329-390                             Medicine-packing job; Calls from Lunceford & Basie

                                  2  b                                       391-430                             U.S. Army, basic training

                                  2  b                                       431-485                             Trumpet exam

                                  2  b                                       486-524                             U.S. Army Air Force Band, Swing Band, USO

                                  2  b                                       525-584                             Musicians who did USO Shows, Lena Horne

                                  2  b                                       585-619                             Other music jobs, Discharge - 1946

                                  2  b                                       620-647                             Eddie "Cleanhead" Vinson, Club Riveria

                                  2  b                                       648-688                             Benny Goodman, Fox Theater & Castle Ballroom, 1946 & 47

                                  2  b                                       689-719                             Jobbing around; Singleton Palmer band 1952, stomach ulcer

                                  2  b                                       720-737                             Club dates with Palmer's Band; Delmar

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